Monday, September 24, 2007

Student Color Set Charts

I'm starting off with the Student Color Set and was wondering if people who have gone through the charts and have completed them correctly could post images of their correct charts so that I and others who are going through the SCS can have something to compare ours to and make the necessary adjustments and corrections.



Scott said...

Go to Munsell Notations and read what is there. Marsha also has links to her work, where you can compare yours. We should be getting a lot of work posted, and we'll have a great library of chips to learn from.

marsha said...

Keep in mind that those links I posted are for the high chroma color wheel. I think Jeff is asking about placing chips properly in the Student Book.

I got my Student Book used and all the chips were in place. However, if you use Studio Tac or some repositionable glue, should be easy to move them around. It's good training for your eye...just follow the directions. I just uploaded this photo of my cubes with the 5YR Student chart to help get you started:

Good Luck, Jeff and start saving for the Big Book!

JeffL said...

thanks scott and marsha!

wow that is really impressive with the cubes, where can I get a hold of them and spheres for painting?

I'll post my charts if I'm having trouble and I'm sure I'll get some great feedback!

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Scott said...

Hi Marsha,

Will you also be listing your paint mixtures for the Yellos?



Scott said...

Hi Marsha,

As far as listing the paints that you are using for your mixtures: I am using different manufacturer and have a bit of trouble with hitting the target. If all else fails, I can invest in some of the ones that you have listed and try my hand at matching with them. As I mentioned in another post, I am having trouble with reds, and I guess this is where the females in the family will step in with their better color sight. I only hope that they can agree on what I should be seeing!!!



GrayHound said...

I just got my student color set yesterday. Looks like I have a bit of reading to do and a lot of rudimentary exercises before I get up to speed with the others here. As such, I apologize for not being able to contribute much to the collective knowledge. Many thanks to those that, for now, are doing the heavy lifting.

I would like to have jumped in with the big book but, without getting into an embarrassing sob story, discretionary spending in the family budget has nearly ground to a halt. Dropping about a grand on a recent “boot camp” has not helped my pitch for continued investment in art education. While waiting for the big book to be feasible, I have this question: I am in possession of a Pantone fan book containing over 1100 glossy color chips. If I would like to step beyond the student book, would the Pantone chips be of any use to me at all, or would it just muddy my grasp of munsell? I am thinking along the lines of using the value scale as a guide and from there trying to estimate the proper hue and chroma steps. Would this be counter-productive? Would you counsel patience instead?


marsha said...

IMO, Jeff, stick with the Student Book. You can learn so much from that. Took me 3 readings before I could sort of understand what she was saying - flipping back and forth through the charts etc.!

I was frustrated for months, tried winging it with my paintings and just became more depressed! It's when I made the commitment to actually do the exercises that Neal did, from Graydon's advice over at SP, that the real light came on! I used only the Student Book...lots of trial and error.Few questions were answered...I had to do the work myself!

The cubes/spheres (from Hobby Lobby/Michael's) work was tedious and I remember sitting late at night painting cubes and muttering:
"What in the hell am I doing using all this time and paint, how can this make me a better painter, etc. etc.?" Then I'd see all those lovely little cubes that were finished, each with their own color personality and remebered that Graydon has worked on this for years! and he painted cubes and spheres too...if it helped him learn more about color, then I can learn too! I will never be the painter Graydon is, but I'll be the painter I am and I'll know how to use color!

This color idea is so vast,and life is so wise! I couldn't afford the Big Book when I started all this either, in fact, at the time I was appalled that one would spend that kind of money on a 'color book'! The teacher and tools tend to show up when we're really open and ready for them!

marsha said...

Whoops, that last post should have been to Tom!

Scott, Graydon should jump in here and advise you.

However, imo use/buy the best and most pigmented paint you can find - no mixes or 'hues'. I've used the paint I already have - lots of different brands - from SP, Rembrandt, Winsor Newton to Old Holland, Vasari and now Williamsburg. I am replacing my reds and will replace others as I need to. Much of this work is trial and error - training our eye and brain to recognize what's wrong or what's close, what's exact.

The greens are giving me a headache! Probably my phthalo green isn't yellow enough, so eventually will replace that. In the mean time I'll use what I have, adjust the best I can and take good notes so I know what I used and why.

Maybe some day a good paint maker will produce paint that matches Munsell and includes the notation on each tube...then half the battle is won! The other half will be learning where/how to use them correctly in our work!

linesend said...

"Whoops, that last post should have been to Tom!"

Actually, Marsha, that was a lovely post. Change is not an easy thing to try and we all move at different paces, sometimes reading about another's insights helps one's own. I read a quote the other day that's been bouncing about the brain: "Have the humility to practice, the audacity to perform", wish I knew who said it.

Even the most talented musicians, athletes and the like put in time leanrning scales and skills, playing etudes, running patterns, enhancing their natural abilities so they too know how to use (their) "color". Enjoyed your post.

ewschott said...

From the sounds of this my question has been repeated numerously, and likely answered somewhere.

I for the life of me can't figure out which paint to start with for the correct hue and highest chroma when starting my own charts- has insight been added to this? I too have done schmidt's.

When I attended Marvin's workshop, I am not kidding - just the mixing of the limited palette took me at least three hours, (my heart broke for those who waited until the day of actual demos begining) again you can see his palette on my site.

He was also very picky when looking over the value/hue and chroma and would make you scrape and start over. I found it amazing that he could quickly look and imediately find the mistake. I guess this is how Graydon has school'd himself in this area.

I found this to be very true of Bill Whitakers, well in addition to a few others, mainly Bill, Marvin and Liberace catching the slightest mistake in drawing. Their set palettes are very varied.

I also know that Graydon mentioned taking the chips to the museum to actually compare to paintings, I am guessing these are chips actually painted as one progresses, or the ones out of the larger, out of financial reach, that I am guessing are much larger?

Are people still able to learn this after 40 years in their 90's? :)