"High Chroma Blues"

(Thought you might get a chuckle from a story I related to Rich.)

A very funny story to me... while working with Munsell and the color wheel, I copied a post from Graydon about "high chroma blues" and titled the message to myself that way.

When my husband, Steve saw the title, he was convinced it was an old blues song, asked me "Where are the words?" With bits and pieces of things he's heard me say or do, he began to make up verses on his own, then sang to me when we went to bed that night - "She's got the High Chroma Blues"... just like an old blues guy from the 30's! "Doesn't have a 16, but maybe 14 will do -she knows the one she's using ain't the one that Graydon would...etc. etc. - She's got the High Chroma Blues." He got out at least three verses with the above chorus!

Of course he didn't write them down and most wouldn't make sense to anyone, but maybe our group, and even then it'd be a stretch! I was laughing so hard, I couldn't think straight! He's still making up one-liners to the the old standard blues tune as I come into a room or start muttering about mixing painting... absolutely puts me in stitches and I'm bound to re-think my mood!

He thinks it'd be a best seller with the chroma people! I didn't know he could sing like that!!!

Interesting Munsell Wheel

Can be used to create a color wheel that has small swatches of color in between the highest chroma swatches. I am erasing the outer ring of increments and will work the incremental steps in between them, while keeping the highest chroma swatches on their respective letters.

Work in Progress

Here's what I've done so far. That's tape as guidelines for the lines...will use a black marker unless someone knows of something better. The chips are not glued down yet, so please make sugsessions! Also where did you write the paints used?...near the chips, on the back?

Also have included the Golden vs Munsell Value 5. I only use the Golden Acrylic for something like this board background...it's close enough for me. Since I paint in oils, all of my cubes/spheres/chips/paintings are all done in oil paint and as close to the Munsell tools as I can get them. (Sorry the photos are a bit blurry.)

Congrats on the commission, Rich!

Golden or Liquitex vs. Munsell

The Golden acylic neutrals are off as well as someone else noted. Here is a picture of a neutral 5 mixed to munsell vs. Golden neutral 5 which tends to PB. Liquitex Neutral 5 gesso primer is even more PB. BTW these aren't done yet, I still have about 2-3 layers of paint left to go.

Studio Products Gray Scales, Grisaille Sets, and Munsell...

SP's 1/2 gray scale: The Munsell scale is 3 to 3.75





SP's 1/2 gray scale: The Munsell scale is 2 to 2.75.





SP's 1/2 gray scale: The Munsell scale is 1 to 1.75.




SP's Value 5 gray scale.

I originally posted this over on Dead Color Diary and Graydon asked if I could post it here.
I decided to add photos so people can judge for them selves.

This is Value 5 gray: I originally thought they were at value 6 but I think it's closer to 6.25.
That's way off. On SP's web site they claim that: " Grisailles' perfectly neutral greys mixed to aprecise Munsell Value Scale". The chart is a gray scale done in quarter tones to Munsell. It is clear that they are not value 5 and far from 'precise'.

Testing is done on the 1/2 gray scale. I need to take better photos of them but it is clear that they are not right. The 1/2 came out to about 3.25. The issue for me is that SP has two values as one. Kind of silly as a concept. It's all for naught as they are wrong anyway. 1 is a very dark gray so low in value that it looks black. This booklet starts at 0.5 so 1 is a gray.

SP's notion that values 1 and 2 are so close as warrant this value as one is a lot more off than I originally thought. If you look at the values with a chart like this you see there is a huge difference between a value 1 gray, and value 2.

I have these on acetate the lines are a grid for another project.
Sorry about the lines, I ran out of acetate.

Student Color Set Charts

I'm starting off with the Student Color Set and was wondering if people who have gone through the charts and have completed them correctly could post images of their correct charts so that I and others who are going through the SCS can have something to compare ours to and make the necessary adjustments and corrections.

Thanks,
:.J

Munsell color wheel

Here is a quick photo I took of the color wheel from the student
book for those who need a better idea of how to set it up.
Sorry about the quality of the photo, I did this kind of in a hurry
and I thought some people could use the visual.
I plan to photocopy this and make it larger to fit the
18X18 board (painted 5th value neutral) and then use it a
template for the layout of the color wheel.

Munsell Notations for Objects

This would be a great place to analyze the Munsell notations of things found in nature or anything else, really.

For example, average caucasian flesh is 5 YR 6/3. The range of flesh is between 10YR and 5 R; the latter includes the ruddy area. Values for flesh locals can be from 3 to 7. But 7 is really pales and 3 is quite dark. Chromas range between 2 and, rarely 6. Most ruddies are around 4-5.

Munsell Notations

Here is a section where we can post the Munsell notations of various paints. If a paint doesn't match a chip exactly, then try to guess its notation. For example, yellow ochre might fall in between 10 YR and 2.5 Y. Maybe. Its value is usually 5 and the chroma around 6. One could write 10YR-2.5YR 5/6. Or, one could guess 1 Y or 2 Y etc. If the value is slightly higher one could write 5 + or , if less 5-. The same goes with the chroma, guess or give a range.

Also, I would like information on the loss of chroma and the change in hue when a paint is mixed with white.

Hmmm, not sure how to combine the blogs. Maybe just switch over? Also, Paul F. has offered to host a forum for us, and help run it, for free. What do you think? It would need to be private to keep the bandwidth down, but we could use this blog to help people find us.

This might work. Richard, lets combine this with the other blog from the color course. Now, we can all share ideas of color with a lot of experienced painters.

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